It’s one thing to be a photographer at home or in your own studio and another to be a traveling production! The Cowgirls with Cameras have all had a LOT of experience packing gear all over the world and through some sticky situations. In this episode you will learn some of their favorite tips and tricks to take your gear wherever you want to shoot!
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It's time to laugh, learn and take your photography to the
Jaz:next level with your favorite Cowgirls with Cameras, Cara,
Jaz:Kim, and Phyllis.
Kimberly Beer:Hey everybody, it's Kim with Kim Beer
Kimberly Beer:photography
Cara Taylor Swift:and Cara with Fast Horse Photography
Phyllis Burchett:and Phyllis with Phyllis Burchett Photo
Kimberly Beer:and welcome to Cowgirls with Cameras. Today
Kimberly Beer:we're going to be talking about something that the three of us
Kimberly Beer:are very familiar with. But I also know new photographers and
Kimberly Beer:sometimes seasoned photographers struggle with and that is taking
Kimberly Beer:gear on the road. So for me, I don't work out of my home hardly
Kimberly Beer:ever. So I do have a small studio setup in here where I can
Kimberly Beer:do jewelry photography, but other than that I almost
Kimberly Beer:everything I shoot is out into the world. You gals the same
Kimberly Beer:way? I think you probably are.
Cara Taylor Swift:Well I shoot a lot of local and so I'm used
Cara Taylor Swift:to just throwing everything in the backseat of the pickup
Cara Taylor Swift:truck. So when I have to pack to travel, it's like a moment of
Cara Taylor Swift:panic before I get organized. So yes, and I've had some crazy
Cara Taylor Swift:experiences flying with gear so that'll be fun to talk about
Cara Taylor Swift:today.
Phyllis Burchett:And for myself. I don't have a home
Phyllis Burchett:studio I pretty much am always flying with my gear. I rarely
Phyllis Burchett:shoot here local. I'm always on a plane it seems with gear. So
Phyllis Burchett:yes.
Cara Taylor Swift:You're the expert.
Phyllis Burchett:No, well, no, no, I'm not an expert, but we
Phyllis Burchett:all have our way of doing things.
Kimberly Beer:And I can guarantee you Phyllis's and mine
Cara Taylor Swift:We do.
Cara Taylor Swift:are exactly the opposite of each other. So you're gonna get
Cara Taylor Swift:probably two ways to do everything today packing your
Cara Taylor Swift:gear, but both ways work really well and it gives you a choice
Cara Taylor Swift:as to what to do. It'll be interesting to find out where
Cara Taylor Swift:Cara lands in the middle of Phyllis and I because if there's
Cara Taylor Swift:a right and a left Phyllis and I are choosing the opposite doors.
Cara Taylor Swift:But it makes it great. Okay, so Cara what's been up in your life
Cara Taylor Swift:Well, it's been full on shooting for me the
Cara Taylor Swift:lately?
Cara Taylor Swift:weather has been so gorgeous here we had this break in the
Cara Taylor Swift:weather where it went from like the high 80s into the 70s. So I
Cara Taylor Swift:had almost a full week of shoots almost every night this last
Cara Taylor Swift:week, which is rare for me I normally don't take on that many
Cara Taylor Swift:sessions but it just worked out with reschedules and then the
Cara Taylor Swift:weather was so pretty. It was a really good week of shooting and
Cara Taylor Swift:it was very exhausting. And then on top of that I had the
Cara Taylor Swift:previous few weeks shoots those folks coming in and doing
Cara Taylor Swift:viewing and ordering appointments and then art design
Cara Taylor Swift:and album design mixed up in that. And I actually designed
Cara Taylor Swift:three photo albums yesterday so I spent a little bit more time
Cara Taylor Swift:than I wanted to spend sitting in front of the computer this
Cara Taylor Swift:last couple days and then on other news I had a birthday go
Cara Taylor Swift:ahead and wish me happy birthday.
Kimberly Beer:Happy Birthday to you. We will not torture you
Kimberly Beer:with it
Cara Taylor Swift:I had a birthday so getting another year
Cara Taylor Swift:older and then my son's birthday is coming up so that's what I've
Cara Taylor Swift:been doing is planning his birthday party. When I'm not
Cara Taylor Swift:working I'm planning birthday party and celebrating birthday
Cara Taylor Swift:and all of that good stuff so it's been super eventful. What
Cara Taylor Swift:about you guys?
Phyllis Burchett:Well, happy birthday to Easton in advance
Cara Taylor Swift:thank you he's gonna be nine and he knows
Cara Taylor Swift:everything and I'm already the dumb momma. So. I didn't think
Cara Taylor Swift:it happened this early. I thought I at least had until the
Cara Taylor Swift:teenager years.
Phyllis Burchett:You do have a highly intelligent young man
Phyllis Burchett:there on your hands.
Cara Taylor Swift:Oh yeah.
Kimberly Beer:Yes, I agree.
Phyllis Burchett:Well, let's see for myself, well, I had a
Phyllis Burchett:guest episode on Photographing the West podcast with Kirby
Phyllis Burchett:Flanagan that aired that was kind of cool.
Cara Taylor Swift:Oh, I bet that was fun.
Phyllis Burchett:Yeah, it was fun. He was he was great to be
Phyllis Burchett:on the air with it was very nice. This past Saturday I did a
Phyllis Burchett:presentation about equine photography for the Booth Museum
Phyllis Burchett:Photo Guild here in Cartersville, Georgia. I also
Phyllis Burchett:went to the Great American Horse drive so I've been kind of
Phyllis Burchett:sporadically trying to edit a few pictures from that. That was
Phyllis Burchett:fun getting to be with Corinne with equinephotographers.net and
Phyllis Burchett:Scott and Mark and Christie my friend and client here from
Phyllis Burchett:Georgia went with me and we stayed together and we had a
Phyllis Burchett:great time. A couple other gals that we wrote in the truck with
Phyllis Burchett:Joanne and Carol and so we had a great time.
Cara Taylor Swift:I saw you had some good travel buddies.
Phyllis Burchett:Yeah, I had some really great travel
Phyllis Burchett:buddies. We had a good time, good food, good people, good
Phyllis Burchett:great horses, cowboys, cowgirls. It was just a really great trip.
Phyllis Burchett:A lot of images to go through.
Cara Taylor Swift:How was it being back after COVID and that
Cara Taylor Swift:not happening for a couple years? Was it just awesome
Cara Taylor Swift:because I was having some major FOMO
Phyllis Burchett:I haven't been since 2013 or 14 I think so the
Phyllis Burchett:biggest thing was their number of horses was down they had only
Phyllis Burchett:237 head in the drive itself because they had to
Phyllis Burchett:unfortunately sell off a lot of stock because of the loss of
Phyllis Burchett:income during COVID. So I think they're just now working on
Phyllis Burchett:getting their herd back up their numbers back up.
Cara Taylor Swift:It sure looks like a lot of horses in the
Cara Taylor Swift:pictures like that you guys took in on the videos that I saw of
Cara Taylor Swift:the drive. It looked like a ton of horses still
Phyllis Burchett:Well, I mean 237 is still pretty impressive
Phyllis Burchett:sight to see. So it's not the numbers
Cara Taylor Swift:Yeah,
Phyllis Burchett:that they've had in the past, I think they
Phyllis Burchett:said one year, they had as many as 1200. So I can't imagine
Phyllis Burchett:trying to keep 1200 horses together. But this heard was
Phyllis Burchett:pretty good. They didn't really have any breakouts or Renegades
Phyllis Burchett:that weren't easily controllable. So like they did
Phyllis Burchett:in the past when I'd been there. But it was it was fun. We had a
Phyllis Burchett:we had a good trip.
Kimberly Beer:So I've been here at home, working hard on taking
Kimberly Beer:care of my health, and then also setting up automations for both
Kimberly Beer:myself and for my clients to help everything run smoother. I
Kimberly Beer:have surgery on June the first so I want everything nice and
Kimberly Beer:set up so I don't have to worry about work. So I've been
Kimberly Beer:automating a few things, getting things set up so that it's all
Kimberly Beer:running smoothly behind the scenes, been doing a lot of
Kimberly Beer:writing and then also been doing a lot of Gestalt work. So I'm
Kimberly Beer:very excited have clients coming up over the next week and a half
Kimberly Beer:or so that are going to be here to work on their businesses and
Kimberly Beer:work on their creativity and get out of their own way and in
Kimberly Beer:finding the dream that they want to have. So that's kind of what
Kimberly Beer:I've been up to and ranch work. The weather here has been
Kimberly Beer:sporadically drenched in water, and then also very beautiful. So
Kimberly Beer:all of those good days, we have exhausted ourselves and building
Kimberly Beer:fences and taking care of horses and all of the ins and outs of
Kimberly Beer:ranch work. I haven't had an opportunity to do much shooting.
Kimberly Beer:But I have worked a lot on like ad design with the photos I
Kimberly Beer:take. So a lot of my work is commercial. And then because I'm
Kimberly Beer:a graphic designer, I go ahead and design the ads. So I've done
Kimberly Beer:quite a bit of that over the last time since we've talked
Kimberly Beer:Phyllis, you're headed back out again. Right?
Phyllis Burchett:I'm headed west tomara, I'm actually going
Phyllis Burchett:out a friend of mine Cheyenne glade Wilson, who is the Native
Phyllis Burchett:Cowgirl for any of you that may follow her she's picking me up
Phyllis Burchett:the airport and we're headed to the Tamale city to the bucking
Phyllis Burchett:horse sale for a few days. And I'm really excited about that.
Phyllis Burchett:And then from there, I'm actually going with her to South
Phyllis Burchett:Dakota, and I'm going to photograph their branding in
Phyllis Burchett:South Dakota. And then I'll come back to her Montana ranch and
Phyllis Burchett:where I've got to do some pictures of her for some big
Phyllis Burchett:magazine article that's coming up for her and then I'll fly
Phyllis Burchett:home on the 28th. So,
Cara Taylor Swift:that sounds like so much fun.
Phyllis Burchett:Yeah,
Cara Taylor Swift:You've got so much coming up. So you're having
Cara Taylor Swift:to think about packing for that, Phyllis.
Phyllis Burchett:I don't think about packing I just kind of do
Phyllis Burchett:it without thinking anymore. But trying to figure out which which
Phyllis Burchett:lenses to take is my big you know, especially now that I have
Phyllis Burchett:the mirrorless and DSLR systems is like I'm trying to get my
Phyllis Burchett:head only thinking about mirrorless. But now I think this
Phyllis Burchett:arena is really big. I might need a bigger lens for this
Phyllis Burchett:arena and just having to think, rethink a few things is
Phyllis Burchett:difficult. Yeah,
Cara Taylor Swift:yeah, I didn't think about that. But
Cara Taylor Swift:when you switch to mirrorless, you suddenly have like doubled
Cara Taylor Swift:the gear you have to try to pack into a carry on or is that not
Cara Taylor Swift:true for you?
Phyllis Burchett:A little bit because I'm still using some of
Phyllis Burchett:my older lenses so I have to be sure I have the adapter for
Phyllis Burchett:them. And then if I want to teleconverter maybe for this
Phyllis Burchett:long lens, I don't know that I'll need one but I do have two
Phyllis Burchett:mirrorless camera bodies so that's what I'm taken to shoot
Phyllis Burchett:with. But everything else is just trying to figure out how to
Phyllis Burchett:pack it's almost like I'm going to be doing a portrait session
Phyllis Burchett:and wildlife kind of so. So you need both systems which just
Phyllis Burchett:made me think of something else I forgot to put in.
Kimberly Beer:For you listeners. We're going to break
Kimberly Beer:this down into small bites about taking your gear out on the road
Kimberly Beer:and about traveling with camera gear. And the first thing we're
Kimberly Beer:going to talk about is is actually packing the gear like
Kimberly Beer:what are your choices around packing the gear? I believe we
Kimberly Beer:all are in the same opinion that, and this is a common
Kimberly Beer:question I get from from photographers who are just
Kimberly Beer:getting started out and traveling with their gear, is do
Kimberly Beer:you ever check your gear? And my answer is absolutely not. I've
Kimberly Beer:refused to get on airplanes and asked to be rerouted to a
Kimberly Beer:different plane if they will not let me keep my gear with me in
Kimberly Beer:the cabin of the aircraft so I never ever check gear and to
Kimberly Beer:date and I do fly a lot maybe not as much as Phyllis but I do
Kimberly Beer:do my fair share of flying with camera gear. I've never had an
Kimberly Beer:airline that couldn't accommodate now I've had to
Kimberly Beer:throw a hissy fit a time or two but most of the time they've
Kimberly Beer:been very good about putting up the gear and in my carry on bag
Phyllis Burchett:I completely agree Kim that the expensive
Phyllis Burchett:stuff always goes in your carry on. I think that should be your
Phyllis Burchett:number one goal is the safety of your your gear. If you're headed
Phyllis Burchett:out to a job and you've got your cameras and your check case and
Phyllis Burchett:it gets lost gosh you're really kind of out of luck and for me
Phyllis Burchett:I've actually had one time where I had an airline actually weigh
Phyllis Burchett:my carry on, fortunately it wasn't over but so it did get me
Phyllis Burchett:thinking about what if what if that did happen where they took
Phyllis Burchett:my bag you know when wanted to check it. And so what I've
Phyllis Burchett:started doing is I carry a little just a packable backpack
Phyllis Burchett:or tote bag that I can stick in my carry on just in case the
Phyllis Burchett:gate agent takes are asked to check that bag. That way if you
Phyllis Burchett:you know, if you need to you can pull out important items and put
Phyllis Burchett:them in the tote bag and carry it on with you.
Cara Taylor Swift:When you're packing some of the things that
Cara Taylor Swift:I think about is what could I survive without if it didn't
Cara Taylor Swift:make it? So a lot of times I think to myself, like if I
Cara Taylor Swift:can't, if I don't feel like I can fit everything into my
Cara Taylor Swift:camera backpack that I that I know, fits on most planes at
Cara Taylor Swift:this point. I know it's going to fit in the overheads if I think
Cara Taylor Swift:to myself, if I can't, what types of things can I put safely
Cara Taylor Swift:into my checked luggage, and if it didn't make it, I would
Cara Taylor Swift:survive and still be able to get the job done? So I tried to
Cara Taylor Swift:think about those things. And I have definitely checked things
Cara Taylor Swift:like lighting gear, tripods, you know, different types of stands
Cara Taylor Swift:for the lights, I've packed partial memory cards. So I'll
Cara Taylor Swift:have some memory cards in my bag and some in the other bag, some
Cara Taylor Swift:battery chargers in battery charger in my checked bag, and
Cara Taylor Swift:then have charged batteries in my bag that I bring on. So I try
Cara Taylor Swift:to think about that so that I don't end up being in the issue
Cara Taylor Swift:with the weight or not being able to stuff my bag into a
Cara Taylor Swift:small spot. So do you guys think about those types of things?
Cara Taylor Swift:Like are there some things that you insist have to go in your
Cara Taylor Swift:bag that you're carrying on and some things that could go into
Cara Taylor Swift:your suitcase if you had to?
Phyllis Burchett:Yes, I totally agree with that, that a lot of
Phyllis Burchett:times like especially my tripod, my any kind of light stands,
Phyllis Burchett:lighting gear can go in check bags, or I even know a couple of
Phyllis Burchett:photographers that actually ship their lighting gear to the job.
Phyllis Burchett:So that's something to think about to ship it FedEx, your
Phyllis Burchett:bodies, your lenses, they always stay with me and your laptop,
Phyllis Burchett:your laptop, everything like that that's essential for your
Phyllis Burchett:job is going to stay with me it's not going to get put in the
Phyllis Burchett:hull of that plane. Years ago, when I started having to travel
Phyllis Burchett:on commuter planes, some of them were too small to put like a
Phyllis Burchett:rolling bag in the overhead so I did buy a pelican case. So that
Phyllis Burchett:way if they do take it at the gate, I know it's going to be
Phyllis Burchett:safe. I actually bought a Moose Peterson bag and it's by Moose
Phyllis Burchett:Peterson that's the photography and it will actually it is a
Phyllis Burchett:backpack but it will fit over your seat very easily in those
Phyllis Burchett:smaller commuter planes. And I've gotten to where now I just
Phyllis Burchett:put that on a rolling bag. So if they take it, I could stick it
Phyllis Burchett:up there too.
Cara Taylor Swift:Oh, that's so smart. I have never I've never
Cara Taylor Swift:heard of that brand. I'm going to have to check that out. I
Cara Taylor Swift:would say too, one of the things that I have been kind of burned
Cara Taylor Swift:on in this is on the past is I remember the camera bodies. I
Cara Taylor Swift:remember the lenses. I remember the batteries most of the time,
Cara Taylor Swift:but forgetting things like the little things like memory cards,
Cara Taylor Swift:your batteries, your chargers. We head out westwards, really
Cara Taylor Swift:dusty stuff to clean your camera, like all that stuff
Cara Taylor Swift:needs to be included into your packing and having a system
Cara Taylor Swift:definitely helps. I am not great about doing like a packing list.
Cara Taylor Swift:But I know some photographers have a full list that they get
Cara Taylor Swift:out that's got a checklist of all the things that they need to
Cara Taylor Swift:take with them. And they just do a quick check off before they
Cara Taylor Swift:head out on the trip because. I've been at workshops with you,
Cara Taylor Swift:where I just totally didn't pack memory cards and had to bum a
Cara Taylor Swift:memory card off of another photographer. And I was just
Cara Taylor Swift:lucky that I was at a job where I, there was a photographer
Cara Taylor Swift:there that had the types of cards that I use. So that was
Cara Taylor Swift:that only happened once and that was like a big eye opener for me
Cara Taylor Swift:to get myself a little more organized. So yeah, you don't
Cara Taylor Swift:want to show up without all the things you need.
Kimberly Beer:Make sure that when you pack your carry on that
Kimberly Beer:one of the things that you absolutely get in your carry on
Kimberly Beer:is any of your lithium ion batteries which most cameras use
Kimberly Beer:these days because those can't go under the airplane. So that's
Kimberly Beer:one thing that the airlines a lot of times I tell them, well
Kimberly Beer:that's got lithium ion batteries in it and they're a little bit
Kimberly Beer:less fussy about letting you take it on the airplane even if
Kimberly Beer:they're fussy about it. But yes, cleaning supplies are so
Kimberly Beer:important especially for equine photographers, I do carry
Kimberly Beer:something called an Arctic Butterfly that allows me to dry
Kimberly Beer:clean the sensor on my DSLR which has saved my butt I do not
Kimberly Beer:know how many times. I'll be at like the Great American Horse
Kimberly Beer:Drive is one of the most famous photoshoots for being really
Kimberly Beer:really dirty because you're in the back of that truck and
Kimberly Beer:there's like dirt flying everywhere and you get back and
Kimberly Beer:you start to look at your pictures and you can just see
Kimberly Beer:the monumental amount of dirt on your sensor especially if you
Kimberly Beer:are not careful and changing your lenses somewhere where it's
Kimberly Beer:not dirty so I do carry something to clean not only my
Kimberly Beer:camera body but to clean inside of my camera and I've never
Kimberly Beer:shown up without memory cards and here's what I do when I'm
Kimberly Beer:packing. Before I leave my house I sit for a moment quietly and
Kimberly Beer:ask no one to bother me. And then I imagine being at the
Kimberly Beer:chute pulling out my camera, I have my routine, you know I
Kimberly Beer:unzip my bag, I get my camera out, I get the lenses out, I put
Kimberly Beer:my memory cards in, I put my batteries in, and I just kind of
Kimberly Beer:mentally run over that in my head. And as I'm doing it, I
Kimberly Beer:think, okay, I know where that's at in my camera bag, I know
Kimberly Beer:where that's at in my camera bag, I know where that's at in
Kimberly Beer:my camera bag. And then I know when I get to the shoot that
Kimberly Beer:I've got everything because I've run over my mental checklist. So
Kimberly Beer:I don't know, I do this weird exercise to make sure everything
Kimberly Beer:is in the bag that I needed in my bag.
Phyllis Burchett:I think that's a great idea. Even I mean, even
Phyllis Burchett:if you have to have a written you know, a printed out
Phyllis Burchett:checklist, that's a great thing to do too. Whatever works for
Phyllis Burchett:you. It's going to be different for everybody. Everybody is
Phyllis Burchett:gonna have a little different system. But the biggest thing is
Phyllis Burchett:don't forget things.
Cara Taylor Swift:And you know, we've been pretty lucky or I've
Cara Taylor Swift:been pretty lucky that if I forget something, I have been
Cara Taylor Swift:somewhere where I can amazon prime it, I've had battery
Cara Taylor Swift:chargers fail on site, and had to have that done. And we've
Cara Taylor Swift:been real lucky that we live in a world today where most of the
Cara Taylor Swift:time we can get stuff pretty quickly. But then there's other
Cara Taylor Swift:times when we're out on location that you're just you're not
Cara Taylor Swift:getting prime and ain't come in the next day. And so you have to
Cara Taylor Swift:be resourceful if you can't get your gear all there. So
Phyllis Burchett:I highly suggest that anybody that's a
Phyllis Burchett:photographer sign up for TSA PreCheck. That way you don't
Phyllis Burchett:have to take your shoes off, you won't have to take your laptop
Phyllis Burchett:out of your bag, it'll be it'll just make things go a little bit
Phyllis Burchett:faster. I personally have CLEAR along with TSA PreCheck which
Phyllis Burchett:sometimes is faster. Sometimes it's not. A lot of people have
Phyllis Burchett:signed up for CLEAR so they've gotten pretty busy too. I also
Phyllis Burchett:suggest to book your flight with an airline credit card I have
Phyllis Burchett:American Express that gives you a Delta, of course I'm a high
Phyllis Burchett:believer in Delta. I love Delta Airlines. And so with the
Phyllis Burchett:airline credit card with American Express, I get my first
Phyllis Burchett:bag check free and now I have two bags checked free with a
Phyllis Burchett:silver medallion. So you know when use that card to buy
Phyllis Burchett:everything. I mean I bought all my gear on it so that runs my
Phyllis Burchett:points up even higher. Another thing is that's real important
Phyllis Burchett:is insure your gear if you don't have your gear insured, and
Phyllis Burchett:you're not a member of the Professional Photographers of
Phyllis Burchett:America, you should be because you get I think it's a minimum
Phyllis Burchett:of $15,000. With your membership. If you have more
Phyllis Burchett:gear than that you can get a rider added on to get the rest
Phyllis Burchett:of your gear insured but you do get $15,000 worth of gear
Phyllis Burchett:insurance with your membership. Be sure you label and tag your
Phyllis Burchett:bags really well. I mean so well that you can see them coming off
Phyllis Burchett:that turnstile when they're in baggage claim and know that it's
Phyllis Burchett:yours, especially if it's black, and there's like 1000 other
Phyllis Burchett:black bags, be sure to use TSA locks. I also take with me just
Phyllis Burchett:to make sure now delta has gone up to 70 pounds for each bag,
Phyllis Burchett:but which I can't even imagine packing a bag 70 pounds because
Phyllis Burchett:I couldn't carry it. But at least I know now that if I get
Phyllis Burchett:over 50 pounds, which I was thinking it was still 50 up
Phyllis Burchett:until just a couple of recent trips that they're not going to
Phyllis Burchett:charge me so but I take a portable luggage scale with me.
Phyllis Burchett:It's a one I found on Amazon, it's all a digital scale. And
Phyllis Burchett:hardly weighs anything. So I take it with me everywhere and
Phyllis Burchett:too keep all those things in mind. But the biggest thing I
Phyllis Burchett:think is TSA PreCheck.
Cara Taylor Swift:I still have not done that. And then you guys
Cara Taylor Swift:have been telling me to do that for years. It's just so far for
Cara Taylor Swift:me to go get it done. I have to really work for it. It's on my
Cara Taylor Swift:to do list for this year, because we have so many things
Cara Taylor Swift:planned this summer, so I'm getting it done. So I can share
Cara Taylor Swift:a story one time when we were driving out we were flying out
Cara Taylor Swift:to I think it was Powder Horn with the Equine Photographers
Cara Taylor Swift:Network, we fly to Denver, and then we get on a little plane to
Cara Taylor Swift:Casper, it's a little tiny plane to Casper. And I've always
Cara Taylor Swift:traveled with my gear in the same bag and I've never had an
Cara Taylor Swift:issue and on that plane. It's a really small plane, they just
Cara Taylor Swift:told me that there was no way I was getting my bag into the
Cara Taylor Swift:overhead compartment. And I was not happy about the situation.
Cara Taylor Swift:But they after going back and forth and and I'm always one
Cara Taylor Swift:that tends to err on the side of be kind, be polite, be the
Cara Taylor Swift:friendliest person you can be like when you're going through
Cara Taylor Swift:this process. And that just didn't work for me that day. And
Cara Taylor Swift:they told me I had to check my camera bag. And so I ended up
Cara Taylor Swift:you know, showing them, hey, I have all of this gear in here.
Cara Taylor Swift:And they're like, We're sorry, there's just no room you're
Cara Taylor Swift:getting on the plane. I was one of the last people on the plane.
Cara Taylor Swift:So I didn't have any any overhead space left. So I wasn't
Cara Taylor Swift:like Phyllis where I had a backup bag that I could pull
Cara Taylor Swift:out. And so I had to pull my camera's out and I had two
Cara Taylor Swift:bodies, two lenses and a laptop and I had to pull all of that
Cara Taylor Swift:out and hold it in my arms. And because I was like I'm not
Cara Taylor Swift:letting you check this so I carried it loose onto the plane
Cara Taylor Swift:and I was just determined I had to get my gear there safely. So
Cara Taylor Swift:I took it and I laid it all under my seat when I got on the
Cara Taylor Swift:plane. So it was all like kind of shoved down where your feet
Cara Taylor Swift:go. So you have imagined your camera bodies and your lenses
Cara Taylor Swift:like rolling around down there. And so it was down there and I
Cara Taylor Swift:had kind of tucked my jacket around it to keep it safe and
Cara Taylor Swift:they were all sitting there and I'm flustered and I'm thinking
Cara Taylor Swift:oh, what did I do wrong to get in this situation? And I
Cara Taylor Swift:realized that I had four or five lithium batteries left in my
Cara Taylor Swift:carry on bag that they put down under the plane. And so I sat
Cara Taylor Swift:there and I said to myself, oh God do I say something? Do I not
Cara Taylor Swift:say something? How big of a deal is this really? Am I going to be
Cara Taylor Swift:responsible for crashing the plane, you know, I was like
Cara Taylor Swift:having like a really moral dilemma in my brain. So I
Cara Taylor Swift:finally flagged down one of the flight attendants. And it's a
Cara Taylor Swift:big deal, y'all, they shut the whole plane down like the, like,
Cara Taylor Swift:everything shut down, they had to open the door of the plane
Cara Taylor Swift:again, after they're getting ready to take off, they got my
Cara Taylor Swift:bag out of the storage the bag storage area. And they did, they
Cara Taylor Swift:made this whole show of like walking it down the aisle to me
Cara Taylor Swift:so that I could then get my batteries out of the bag. And
Cara Taylor Swift:then they took my bag all the way back down and put it under
Cara Taylor Swift:the plane. Again, so everyone is like, and that's why our flights
Cara Taylor Swift:held up, I would just say that there are going to be times when
Cara Taylor Swift:you might be on a flight. And they just don't think they can
Cara Taylor Swift:get it on there. And I've always been someone that, you know,
Cara Taylor Swift:tries to be the friendliest person dealing with those folks.
Cara Taylor Swift:Because and most of the time by being that friendly person and
Cara Taylor Swift:helpful and understanding that they're just doing a job, I can
Cara Taylor Swift:usually get them to help me out. And that that has worked pretty
Cara Taylor Swift:good. But I love Phyllis's idea of bringing a little bag. And
Cara Taylor Swift:then Kim, I know you have something you want to say here
Kimberly Beer:Yes, I do. So I had a similar situation when I
Kimberly Beer:too.
Kimberly Beer:was flying around doing photography for Best of America
Kimberly Beer:by Horseback. We got on a very, very small, very little airplane
Kimberly Beer:and they're like, you can't bring that bag on here. And I've
Kimberly Beer:done a lot of research on my bag and we're going to talk about
Kimberly Beer:that later, I spent oodles of research getting the bag that I
Kimberly Beer:picked so I knew that it could fit in a multitude of situations
Kimberly Beer:and I talked with the stewardess and I try to be a nice person in
Kimberly Beer:general anyway, but I was like I'm a professional photographer.
Kimberly Beer:I'm on a job. This is a place I've had camera equipment
Kimberly Beer:damaged on airplanes. Is there anything you can do to help me
Kimberly Beer:out and she was really really nice. She's like, you know what,
Kimberly Beer:we have a storage area where we put our stuff it's not
Kimberly Beer:completely full. If you don't mind, I'll put your bag in here
Kimberly Beer:with our bag. I've also had them stash it in some of the smaller
Kimberly Beer:jets, there's a space behind the very last row where there's a
Kimberly Beer:pretty good chunky size of space back there and you can get your
Kimberly Beer:bag in there. I've talked my way into having my bag stashed back
Kimberly Beer:there, the bag that I have now I can put under the seat in front
Kimberly Beer:of me and I'm going to tell you it is not comfortable for me I
Kimberly Beer:am crammed into my seat to where I can't move my legs I can't
Kimberly Beer:hardly walk because of arthritis when I get out if it's a very
Kimberly Beer:long flight because I can't shift or move but I can get that
Kimberly Beer:bag underneath that front seat so I yeah I believe what Cara
Kimberly Beer:said be nice to them as much as you can. And yeah, I've never
Kimberly Beer:had one like march stuff around to me but I definitely have had
Kimberly Beer:to finagle my way into getting my bag and gear onto certain
Kimberly Beer:aircrafts and I too am going to start packing a little extra bag
Kimberly Beer:so Phyllis is like giving us a great pointer we're all going to
Kimberly Beer:show up with our extra bags the next time we fly.
Cara Taylor Swift:That insurance piece too that Phyllis
Cara Taylor Swift:you mentioned earlier, is really huge because you know you think
Cara Taylor Swift:it's going to get injured your gear is going to get injured if
Cara Taylor Swift:it gets checked. But I have broken gear just getting out of
Cara Taylor Swift:the truck at the airport. So I dropped my laptop just getting
Cara Taylor Swift:out of the truck at the airport I was getting ready to put it in
Cara Taylor Swift:the bag and it landed and I'm somehow still using it but it
Cara Taylor Swift:makes a really weird crackling sound every time I pick it up so
Cara Taylor Swift:it's on its last leg. But you know thinking about having the
Cara Taylor Swift:insurance piece for your camera gear because you might do
Cara Taylor Swift:something silly at the airport set it on a counter or someone
Cara Taylor Swift:might bump it or you just never know. So that's so important and
Cara Taylor Swift:I know lots of photographers have used that I need to look
Cara Taylor Swift:and see if my laptop is actually covered in that because I could
Cara Taylor Swift:probably I probably need to do a claim it is is it oh gosh I'm
Cara Taylor Swift:making another note I gotta get on that.
Phyllis Burchett:Something I kind of scooted over a benefit
Phyllis Burchett:to booking your flight with an airline credit card with Delta
Phyllis Burchett:or on American Express that puts you in the first zone you know
Phyllis Burchett:and so that way you also get to board earlier and that's a big
Phyllis Burchett:plus for me is getting to board earlier before all those
Phyllis Burchett:overhead spaces get filled up. So think about doing that is if
Phyllis Burchett:you have to pay a little extra to to be able to get on earlier
Phyllis Burchett:course with with my airline credit card I don't have to do
Phyllis Burchett:that because it's included think about that, too, is try to get
Phyllis Burchett:on as early as possible. Before all those overheads are crammed
Phyllis Burchett:full of other people's gear.
Kimberly Beer:Phyllis sold me on the American Express, and I
Kimberly Beer:did it so I love it. I now have the AMEX and I fly Delta with
Kimberly Beer:her so
Phyllis Burchett:So we do agree on one thing then.
Kimberly Beer:We do, we do one thing.
Cara Taylor Swift:So what about those of you guys that rent
Cara Taylor Swift:gear? Because I've, have rented gear in the past and packed it
Cara Taylor Swift:and brought it and whatnot. Do you rent gear and have it sent
Cara Taylor Swift:to the location? What have you done that's worked for you?
Kimberly Beer:So for me I have two rental companies I use. One
Kimberly Beer:is BorrowLenses, which I think is very popular. Lots of people
Kimberly Beer:use BorrowLenses. And if I do rent from them, I have the
Kimberly Beer:camera gear shipped, usually to where I'm going. Because a lot
Kimberly Beer:of times I have like, I'm either driving out there and it's a
Kimberly Beer:couple extra days. Or it's maybe I don't need it until the middle
Kimberly Beer:of the shoot and it actually saves me rental fees to have it
Kimberly Beer:shipped to the location. And then I will find a UPS and ship
Kimberly Beer:it back or pack it back with me and ship it when I get home. The
Kimberly Beer:other company I use is called Rentglass. And they happen to be
Kimberly Beer:local to Kansas City. And they're right on my way to the
Kimberly Beer:airport. So I don't even have them ship it, I rent it. I stop
Kimberly Beer:by their little location, pick it up, pack it in my bag, get on
Kimberly Beer:the airplane, and then come back home. And I highly recommend
Kimberly Beer:Rentglass. It's a small family operation. And they have great
Kimberly Beer:equipment and they take really good care of their stuff. And
Kimberly Beer:they're very, very kind to work with. So yeah, I I have two
Kimberly Beer:different ways that I do that. So it's just so happens to be
Kimberly Beer:I'm lucky enough to be in an area where I can pop in and
Kimberly Beer:actually talk to the rental company.
Cara Taylor Swift:Awesome. Now any tips on how to pack your
Cara Taylor Swift:gear? Do you guys do anything special like different than when
Cara Taylor Swift:you're just carrying your gear locally? Do you do anything
Cara Taylor Swift:different when you're packing it on the airplane?
Phyllis Burchett:I personally do I always take the lenses off
Phyllis Burchett:my cameras. I think it it's way more space efficient to pack
Phyllis Burchett:cameras and lenses separately and it also limits potential for
Phyllis Burchett:any kind of damage to your lens mount. So that's my big thing is
Phyllis Burchett:take those lenses off the camera bodies.
Cara Taylor Swift:What about you, Kim? Do you do anything
Cara Taylor Swift:special when you pack?
Kimberly Beer:No, I do the exact opposite of Phyllis I
Kimberly Beer:leave on my lenses on my bodies. But I have a I have a matter of
Kimberly Beer:fact, I will put loose lenses on bodies. But I have a different
Kimberly Beer:camera packing system than Phyllis does. So I think if I
Kimberly Beer:used the same system Phyllis uses where she has it like super
Kimberly Beer:compartmentalized like my bag is set up for two cameras to be put
Kimberly Beer:like one with a short lens and one with a 70 to 200 it's setup
Kimberly Beer:so that those two cameras are in the center of the bag. And
Kimberly Beer:they're super well protected, especially when they have their
Kimberly Beer:lenses on because everything around them, like the way that I
Kimberly Beer:pack it. I have a, so and I I'll talk about this now because we
Kimberly Beer:do have bags on our list to talk about but my camera bag is a
Kimberly Beer:backpack and the only thing I regret about that is a damn
Kimberly Beer:thing doesn't have wheels, which means I have to pack it around
Kimberly Beer:actually on my back. That wasn't so bad when I bought it 10 or 12
Kimberly Beer:years ago, but I'm getting old. And it is heavy. And there's big
Kimberly Beer:airports and it's just it's very painful sometimes. And I envy
Kimberly Beer:that I think both of you have roller bags. And I know I've
Kimberly Beer:been at airports with you where I'm like, I want one with wheels
Kimberly Beer:so bad. But the upside to my bag is I usually have zero trouble
Kimberly Beer:getting it even in smaller overheads. I also don't have as
Kimberly Beer:much difficulty like getting it in other places that if it had
Kimberly Beer:wheels, it would be impossible to get so I try to look at it
Kimberly Beer:that way. But I my bag itself is a backpack bag. It has three
Kimberly Beer:channels in it that I can compartmentalize the way I want.
Kimberly Beer:And two bodies with lenses fit straight down the center. And
Kimberly Beer:then the outside pockets I've got for my extra body. If I want
Kimberly Beer:to bring in third body than any other lenses, I can pack in
Kimberly Beer:there and I can get a monumental amount of gear in that thing.
Kimberly Beer:And I can also get my laptop in the exact same bag so it has a
Kimberly Beer:special laptop pocket in the front. If it's a small plane, I
Kimberly Beer:have to take my laptop out because it won't fit in the
Kimberly Beer:overhead with the laptop in it. But I can pull my laptop out
Kimberly Beer:then and stick it in the pocket and the airplane and nobody
Kimberly Beer:gripes about it. Because it all went on one bag when it walked
Kimberly Beer:in the door.
Cara Taylor Swift:What brand is it?
Kimberly Beer:It's a low pro?
Cara Taylor Swift:A low pro. Okay.
Kimberly Beer:I think you say it low pro. But, yeah, it's a
Kimberly Beer:low pro. I did, like I said I did a ton of research. I
Kimberly Beer:actually went all the way to a PPA convention. I didn't go to
Kimberly Beer:the classes or anything. I had a photo shoot in Baton Rouge,
Kimberly Beer:Louisiana. And they had it in New Orleans that year. So I took
Kimberly Beer:a little side trip to New Orleans had a fun day traipsing
Kimberly Beer:around New Orleans shooting pictures and then I went to the
Kimberly Beer:trade show for one day and my entire goal was to find a camera
Kimberly Beer:bag that I liked. And I shopped that entire PPA convention trade
Kimberly Beer:show for a full day I went through every single bag in
Kimberly Beer:there I went back home to the motel that night did extra
Kimberly Beer:research on is this the one I want? And this is the bag that I
Kimberly Beer:picked. I paid I think close to $300 for it and I did that in
Kimberly Beer:2009. So it's been with me a lot of years. And it has held up
Kimberly Beer:really, really well. I love it because it has a zipper that is
Kimberly Beer:dustproof. So when I zip it all of my camera gear inside of that
Kimberly Beer:zipper does, there's no dust gets in there. I like the fact
Kimberly Beer:that I can get up to a 17 inch laptop in the pocket. So I'm
Kimberly Beer:able to carry a big laptop with me if I want to. It's got all
Kimberly Beer:these little extra spaces for cards and stuff like that. My
Kimberly Beer:only complaint is that I can pack it to be way too heavy for
Kimberly Beer:me to be carrying around on my back. That's the only thing that
Kimberly Beer:bothers me about it is that otherwise then that I can get
Kimberly Beer:all my gear in there. I love taking it when we go out in the
Kimberly Beer:rough and tumble. Phyllis, you have I know you have bag
Kimberly Beer:recommendations because I've seen your equipment and it's awesome.
Phyllis Burchett:I'm way too old to be carrying that much
Phyllis Burchett:gear on my back all day through an airport, especially if you're
Phyllis Burchett:having to run from one plane to another. I'm just I'm too old
Phyllis Burchett:for that. Sorry, I highly recommend Pelican cases. But I
Phyllis Burchett:also have LoPro that I do stick the Moose Peterson backpack in
Phyllis Burchett:so it's a I put a backpack in a rolling bag. I also have
Phyllis Burchett:GuraGear, which I love and it is my GuruGear is similar to what
Phyllis Burchett:you're saying what you have, because I can put a laptop in
Phyllis Burchett:it, I can put lenses on the camera bodies, you know, and
Phyllis Burchett:keep them intact inside that GuruGear bag. But it's it's a
Phyllis Burchett:really heavy bag when, if I do that. I have a small Tamrac
Phyllis Burchett:backpack that I use like if I'm hiking and stuff sometimes.
Phyllis Burchett:Christie had a really cool bag on this last trip we were on
Phyllis Burchett:it's by K&F concepts and I'm looking into but I mean, I still
Phyllis Burchett:have the first bag I ever purchased. I don't get rid of
Phyllis Burchett:bags. I think when we're just starting out or even as as we go
Phyllis Burchett:through our careers as photographers, we're always
Phyllis Burchett:trying to find the perfect bag because like I said, I still
Phyllis Burchett:have all my bags and I'm still looking at a new one. So I think
Phyllis Burchett:two, my biggest goal is to be comfortable with whatever I'm
Phyllis Burchett:carrying on the plane. So that's why I choose to have a rolling
Phyllis Burchett:bag, I do have a separate bag that I put my laptop and
Phyllis Burchett:everything in and it's also a GuruGear bag, but it's more like
Phyllis Burchett:a little it's kind of like a briefcase but it's bigger than a
Phyllis Burchett:briefcase so I can actually put my laptop and I can put all the
Phyllis Burchett:accessories I can even put a camera body or a lens in there
Phyllis Burchett:if I need to. I use it, I put my billfold, I put everything in
Phyllis Burchett:there and it goes on top of my my rollin bag so that I can roll
Phyllis Burchett:them both I don't have to put anything on my back. You just
Phyllis Burchett:have to remember when you're in the airport and you're having to
Phyllis Burchett:wait and walk in between flights and are just to get to your
Phyllis Burchett:flight you know that bags gonna stay with you at all the time,
Phyllis Burchett:even when you go to the bathroom. So just think about
Phyllis Burchett:all this and your comfort your comfort needs to be thought
Phyllis Burchett:about too and I mean we all dread going to the airport so
Phyllis Burchett:let's not make it even worse.
Cara Taylor Swift:I'm still on the search for the perfect bag.
Cara Taylor Swift:I have a backpack one that I know will fit everywhere but
Cara Taylor Swift:then my favorite bag is a rolling bag and it's wonderful
Cara Taylor Swift:for almost every flight except for when you get stuck on one of
Cara Taylor Swift:the smaller puddle jumpers that you know you have to get on and
Cara Taylor Swift:it has given me trouble on those flights so I have a Think Tank
Cara Taylor Swift:backpack that I really like and I've been looking at some other
Cara Taylor Swift:Think Tank options but I'm going to check out this Moose Peterson
Cara Taylor Swift:that you suggested and I've always wanted I've always wanted
Cara Taylor Swift:a Pelican Case but they're so expensive. And I'm also
Cara Taylor Swift:wondering do they make one that's small enough that you can
Cara Taylor Swift:put it in the overhead and it you know that it works for
Cara Taylor Swift:everything so I need to do a little more research on that. I
Cara Taylor Swift:still feel like I'm I'm on the search for my gear bag soulmate.
Phyllis Burchett:My Pelican Case does go in the overhead,
Phyllis Burchett:but it won't go in overhead on a small commuter plane.
Kimberly Beer:Yeah, I've owned a Pelican Case didn't like it.
Cara Taylor Swift:Well on that negative note Kim...no I'm just
Cara Taylor Swift:kidding.
Kimberly Beer:I'm just gonna say, I'm gonna say what I said I
Kimberly Beer:owned a Pelican Case. I didn't like it. I ended up and sorry,
Kimberly Beer:Cara, it was before I met you. But I gave it away. I bought it
Kimberly Beer:and then gave it to another photographer. Too bad you
Kimberly Beer:weren't in the room that day because I would have happily
Kimberly Beer:given it to you. It flustered me I didn't like the hard cases. So
Kimberly Beer:I did end up giving it away.
Cara Taylor Swift:I just think it'd be nice to have something
Cara Taylor Swift:that if you had to check it at the gate you could you know? And
Cara Taylor Swift:you would feel a little more confident but yeah, I think I'm
Cara Taylor Swift:still on the search for sure. And I like you know Phyllis,
Cara Taylor Swift:this list that you've given us and then the ones that you've
Cara Taylor Swift:added Kim, I have to do a little more research. I'd love to hear
Cara Taylor Swift:from some of our listeners though too like what they use
Cara Taylor Swift:that they love because I am still on the search. So if
Cara Taylor Swift:there's anyone listening and you guys want to share your favorite
Cara Taylor Swift:bags that you use for travel, that would be an, it'd be
Cara Taylor Swift:awesome if you guys want to do that on social media. You can do
Cara Taylor Swift:it on Instagram or on Facebook at Cowgirls with Cameras. I
Cara Taylor Swift:personally need some advice on a new bag. The ones I've got are
Cara Taylor Swift:getting me through but they're not the perfect setup yet for
Cara Taylor Swift:me.
Phyllis Burchett:I think we are all, I mean like I said before,
Phyllis Burchett:I think we're always on the search for the perfect bag, even
Phyllis Burchett:if we think we have what is working for us at the time. If
Phyllis Burchett:we see somebody else that has what we think looks like a
Phyllis Burchett:better system, we're always there. I was gonna also add that
Phyllis Burchett:I have just recently done a blog post on just this very topic and
Phyllis Burchett:pretty much covered everything we talked about what even you
Phyllis Burchett:guys added in and everything. It's all in that blog post, if
Phyllis Burchett:it was a very recent one a couple of weeks ago, if anybody
Phyllis Burchett:wants to check that out, too.
Cara Taylor Swift:Oh, that's awesome. And you know, what
Cara Taylor Swift:happens is you do get the perfect bag, and then you end up
Cara Taylor Swift:buying a new piece of gear, and you're like, crap, now, nothing
Cara Taylor Swift:fits into my bag the right way, I can't get the new piece of
Cara Taylor Swift:gear in. And so then you're in this whole new place, again,
Cara Taylor Swift:where you're having to either reconfigure your bag, find a new
Cara Taylor Swift:way to pack it, take your lenses off, or put them on whatever
Cara Taylor Swift:your choice is, you have to like reconfigure everything and find
Cara Taylor Swift:a new bag. So that has also happened to me this year. And I
Cara Taylor Swift:think that's part of the reason because I upgraded to a larger
Cara Taylor Swift:body camera. And so now it doesn't fit the same way that my
Cara Taylor Swift:old bodies did in the bag. So that's part of the reason I'm on
Cara Taylor Swift:the hunt again. But this has been awesome. I feel like I've
Cara Taylor Swift:got a lot of research to do now a new bag options.
Kimberly Beer:I love it. I love it. Okay, so where are we ready
Kimberly Beer:for the challenge for this week?
Cara Taylor Swift:Take us into the challenge, Kim.
Kimberly Beer:So we've talked all about packing and traveling
Kimberly Beer:with your gear. So our challenge this week is to take a picture
Kimberly Beer:away from your home studio and pack some gear up and go on a
Kimberly Beer:hike or take stuff out with you. Or I know for us we do a lot of
Kimberly Beer:traveling where we pack our gear on the airplane and then we get
Kimberly Beer:to the shoot and we have to pack our gear again to go out to the
Kimberly Beer:different shoots. So pack some gear up, get away from home and
Kimberly Beer:shoot some photos out in the world and share them with us. We
Kimberly Beer:would love to have you share them with us. So share them on
Kimberly Beer:our social media channel and use the #CWCPhotoChallenge.
Cara Taylor Swift:That's right. I want to see pictures of people
Cara Taylor Swift:with their gear and their bags so that I can kind of see what
Cara Taylor Swift:they're using. So,
Kimberly Beer:I would love that.
Cara Taylor Swift:Yeah. So Phyllis, you're leaving this
Cara Taylor Swift:weekend. You're the first one of us traveling this week. So you
Cara Taylor Swift:need to send me a picture of you with your bag or your gear all
Cara Taylor Swift:together so I can post it on Cowgirls with Cameras. That's
Cara Taylor Swift:your assignment. I'm pointing at you.
Phyllis Burchett:Oh, okay. Okay
Cara Taylor Swift:I'm pointing at you. Kick us off.
Phyllis Burchett:I will try to remember to do that.
Cara Taylor Swift:I'll send you a text to remind you don't
Cara Taylor Swift:worry, I'm on it.
Phyllis Burchett:Okay. Thank you for that.
Cara Taylor Swift:Awesome, this is an awesome episode. I hope
Cara Taylor Swift:that folks are tuning in and enjoying the show. Once again,
Cara Taylor Swift:hit us up on Facebook or Instagram at Cowgirls with
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Cara Taylor Swift:still have two spaces left in our Cottonwood event that's
Cara Taylor Swift:coming up do you guys have any other spaces on events that
Cara Taylor Swift:you've got coming up anytime soon?
Kimberly Beer:We do.
Phyllis Burchett:I just checked yesterday and we have two spaces
Phyllis Burchett:left for the Art of the Cowgirl summer event and Big Timber
Cara Taylor Swift:Okay so there are some options out there,
Cara Taylor Swift:folks are wanting to test out their travel with their gear
Cara Taylor Swift:they can hop into one of those workshops and get traveling with
Cara Taylor Swift:their gear to get awesome images somewhere else so yeah, I think
Cara Taylor Swift:that's it anything else you guys want to add before we get out of
Cara Taylor Swift:here?
Kimberly Beer:Nope. Just happy shooting.
Cara Taylor Swift:Alright, safe travels this week, Phyllis. Good
Cara Taylor Swift:luck getting everything on the airplane.
Phyllis Burchett:Good to see y'all!
Cara Taylor Swift:Don't forget that picture.
Kimberly Beer:Or your memory cards.
Cara Taylor Swift:Bye, love you guys.
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