NEW SKILLS • FRESH PERSPECTIVES • FUN & ADVENTURE

Your portfolio is a curated collection of your very best images and represents the types of work you hope to create in the future AND the type of clients you hope to attract. In this episode of Cowgirls with Cameras, Phyllis, Kim and Cara take a deep dive into the importance of curating a portfolio, how to best structure your portfolio, and provide some tips on how to put that portfolio to work for you.

In addition, they discuss their recent experience at Animal Image Makers.

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Jaz:

It's time to laugh, learn, and take your photography to the

Jaz:

next level with your favorite cowgirls with cameras, Cara, Kim

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and Phyllis.

Kimberly Beer:

Hey there photographers It's Kim with Kim

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Beer photography

Cara Taylor Swift:

and Cara with Fast Horse Photography

Phyllis Burchett:

and Phyllis with Phyllis Burchette photo.

Kimberly Beer:

Welcome to Cowgirls with Cameras. So

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today's episode is going to be devoted to learning all about

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how to create and use and curate a portfolio which is a huge

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important piece in any photographers professional

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appearance and professional business standing. So it's very

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important whether you're brand new as a photographer, or

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whether you are a photographer that's really established your

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portfolio is something you've got to go back and visit with a

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lot. So that's going to be our topic du jour today. And we do

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have a lot of information to cover with that. But, before we

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dive into that Cara and Phyllis have had an interesting

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adventure that I think they would like to share with you

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guys. They got to go to the Twin Cities and visit with some other

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photographers. I unfortunately had to miss out but I'm dying to

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get a report y'all on what happened at AIM.

Cara Taylor Swift:

Well, we really missed you. I mean,

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Phyllis and I we didn't know what to do without our third

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Musketeer running around with us. But I think we had a good

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time. Didn't we Phyllis? We had fun?

Phyllis Burchett:

Yeah. It was just sad to not have Kim with

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us.

Cara Taylor Swift:

That's right. But you know what? We

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represented Cowgirls with cameras well, I still believe

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that we did that. So it was a lot of fun. This was the first

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year that I think I know for me, I don't know about you, Phyllis.

Cara Taylor Swift:

But it's the first year I got to go in person.

Phyllis Burchett:

Me too.

Cara Taylor Swift:

Yeah, you were okay for you, too. Yeah.

Cara Taylor Swift:

So,

Phyllis Burchett:urse we all signed up back in:Phyllis Burchett:

they had to cancel of course,

Cara Taylor Swift:

Right. So we did the virtual last year, which

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was pretty neat. And I was so impressed with how they ran

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over. I'd never had attended a virtual conference. I felt like

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that was ran so well. It was really amazing. So the in person

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conference was a lot of fun for me, I was able to attend a few

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of the breakout workshops, got to chat with a lot of new

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photographers. But the part I was most excited about was the

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trade show and getting set up for the trade show. And then I

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ended up not even being able to stay for it. I had to get home.

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So I abandoned Phyllis at Animal Image Makers. Did you want to

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talk about how the tradeshow went?

Phyllis Burchett:

Well, yes, but I was just thinking maybe we

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should let people know what Animal Image Makers is. It

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basically brings together pet and animal photographers from

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all over the world for a great weekend of education and

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networking. The love of, of everyone that attends that we

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all have for animals really creates a great instant bond

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between each other and a great energy at the conference. It's

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100% about animals and the business of photographing our

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furry friends. Some of the top animal educators in the world

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had been brought together. It was just a great experience for

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everybody. I really enjoyed it. I got to meet some people that I

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had always wanted to meet. So everybody left me alone for the

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trade show. I had to run the booth all by myself

Cara Taylor Swift:

You were abandoned

Phyllis Burchett:

Poor me. It was terrible. No, it wasn't it

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was great. I had a great time. I got to meet a lot of wonderful

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people. We got a lot of interest in Cowgirls with Cameras and got

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our name out there and got to talk up our Cottonwood Ranch

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event. I think it was well worth being there. And I really

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enjoyed it. Like I said I got to meet some wonderful people, some

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other vendors and people that were attending the conference. A

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lot of great photographers, animal photographers, so had a

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great time. Oh, and our T-shirts were selling like hotcakes.

Cara Taylor Swift:

That's right or over shooters anonymous

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T-shirts. They are pretty much sold out at this point. Yep. And

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both Kim and I are wearing Cowgirls with Camera shirts

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today. So yeah, they're pretty much sold out at this point. But

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we'll have another run coming sometime soon. But you know, one

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of the other things I thought was really neat about that event

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is that we got to see our pal Terri Cage of Terri Cage

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photography, talk about equine photography, so we got to go and

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support her. And that was pretty neat. She did a great job.

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She did a great job getting the word out

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there about telling people how to go about doing equine

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photography safely and how to present the horse well in your

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images. And also another really great highlight of my trip. And

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I think for you to Cara was to get to meet someone that I've

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been friends with virtually for years is Shelley Paulson. So

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Shelley came and picked us up Thursday, Cara and I, and we

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headed over to the Minnesota Horse Expo in a blizzard. And we

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had a great day. So I was freezing. Of course Cara from

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Florida was freezing. I think we had a really nice day we get to

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see some a few horses that we hadn't seen before some breeds

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and it was really cool, cold. It was it was a great day. It was a

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fun day we spent we spent a lot and not probably not all day we

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went maybe three or four hours at the expo and then we went and

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sat in a coffee shop and talked the rest of the afternoon. So we

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had a great time and then Shelley came back the next night

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and took Cara and myself and Terri out to dinner because

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she'd never met Terri before. So we had a really nice time.

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Don't forget, we got to go to Mall of America,

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which I found super fascinating that they had an amusement park

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in the mall. So that was pretty amazing. I'd never seen anything

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like that. So yeah, we had an amazing time with Shelley big

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thank yous going out to her for entertaining us and getting to

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meet her for the first time and just the four of us getting to

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sit around talk shop was a lot of fun. So it was it was really

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cool.

Kimberly Beer:

I'm so bummed I missed that.

Cara Taylor Swift:

Yeah, you really missed a good time. I'm

Phyllis Burchett:

We did not

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telling you,

Kimberly Beer:

But I'm more bummed that I missed the

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amusement park in the Mall of America. Did you go on any rides

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in the Mall of America?

Cara Taylor Swift:

We had an amazing charcuterie board at the

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restaurant.

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If I would have been with you, we would have had

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to have gone on a ride.

Phyllis Burchett:

We almost did the carousel.

Kimberly Beer:

That's way too tame.

Phyllis Burchett:

Yeah, we almost did the carousel ride but

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none of us really we were close.

Cara Taylor Swift:

They had a roller coaster

Kimberly Beer:

That's why you need me there, is to go on the

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roller coaster.

Phyllis Burchett:

Oh, I so would have done the roller coaster.

Cara Taylor Swift:

There was another reason you were in

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Minnesota as well. Or another another fun thing you got to do

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when you were there. Did you want to share that?

Phyllis Burchett:

Yeah, I met a friend of mine Karen Blenker

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that I think you and I had met before doing the Outer Banks,

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the horses, the wild horses in the Outer Banks years ago. And

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I've gotten to be friends with Karen. I had been up to

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Minnesota to shoot great gray owls with her. But this time we

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had she picked me up at the airport and we headed up to

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Wisconsin to shoot sharp tailed grouse. And then we came back

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down and got to shoot some more owls. I got to see some long

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eared owls and great horned owls. Well, I had never seen

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long eared owls before. So that was a first for me. So it was

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pretty cool. We got to do that in a blizzard too.

Cara Taylor Swift:

It was a great time, I would totally do

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it again. So anyone who's out there that's thinking, should I

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go to Animal Image Makers, if you're really focused on animal

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photography, whether you're a horse photographer or a dog

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photographer, cat photographer, I didn't feel like they talked a

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lot about wild animals. At some of the presentations, mostly

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domestic animals, I would just suggest if you're into

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photographing pets or equines, that it is worth going and

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enjoying and the trade show was a lot of fun to you got to

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really spend some time talking to the folks at the trade show.

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So I mean, the different vendors that were there, so Kim, I know

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you missed it. But we did the best we could to represent and

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to bring back tons of awesome information and sent, we sent

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you your swag bag and all of that. So your swag box and all

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of that. So I know you receive that this week. But what have

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you been up to anything you want to chat about since you missed

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us?

Kimberly Beer:

I did get to go to an expo on my own. So I did a

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one day table at the networking event that I belong at. And I

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was actually there representing my Gestalt business, not as a

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photographer. But my booth was right next door to a wonderful

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photographer. And so we got to talk shop and they actually do

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senior portraits and headshots portraits for corporate folks.

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We got to talk about the fact that occasionally they cross

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over into the equine world. So I got to share some tips and

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tricks about how to get good pictures of the horses for them.

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Very talented photographer and her husband that run a business

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and just really nice people. So it's always nice to connect and

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do that. Otherwise, I have been home taking care of my health,

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which is why I had to miss AIM. Just trusting in my own process,

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being an entrepreneur sometimes means you have to slow it down

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and make sure you take care of you. And that's where I've been

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at for the past month or so is just focusing on one step and

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one day at a time.

Cara Taylor Swift:

It's right where you need to be.

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Right where I need to be. So now let's switch

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over our topic here to growing your portfolio. And I cannot

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stress enough how important having a portfolio is to a

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photographer. And I know we have a lot of young photographers,

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maybe not in age, but experience per se, listening to the podcast

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and following us and looking to us for suggestions. And

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portfolios are such an important place to begin and to build to

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get your career in the direction that you want it to go. Now if

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you're a more established photographer, it's also

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something that you can't just put a checkbox that by and say

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you're never going to touch it again, like your website, like

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all your marketing, like all the things you put out into the

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world, you really need to pay attention to it. So hopefully,

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if you are a more experienced photographer, you will hang out

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with us here and listen, because there's ideas that are going to

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be coming your way about how you can improve the portfolio that

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you currently have, and be able to utilize it even more. So I'm

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going to turn this over to Cara because she's got some fantastic

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ideas in true Cara form a beautiful list of suggestions

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for you. So Cara, you take it away.

Cara Taylor Swift:

Well, I know Phillys will have a lot to chime

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in here too, but one of the things that when I think about

Cara Taylor Swift:

my portfolio is that it's a constantly evolving collection

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of work. So it's changing and it's changing as I continue to

Cara Taylor Swift:

grow and learn in my photography. So my portfolio

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from when I started shooting regularly six years ago, it's

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very different than what it looks like today. And there's a

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lot of reasons for that, not just that my work has changed,

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and I hope it has gotten better, but that I have different needs

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for my portfolio. And it needs to fill kind of some different

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buckets that it didn't need to fill back when I was first

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getting started. I think I have some tips that I thought would

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be helpful for folks. And the first one that I can think of is

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that a lot of times when you're in the early days of portfolio

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building, you don't have a lot of work. So you don't have a lot

Cara Taylor Swift:

of paid shoots. Maybe you don't have a lot of unpaid shoots,

Cara Taylor Swift:

you're just trying to get out there and shoot. And that's

Cara Taylor Swift:

honestly the best thing that you can do. So even if you don't

Cara Taylor Swift:

have sessions scheduled, you have to find a way to keep

Cara Taylor Swift:

shooting and keep getting people in front of your lens. It needs

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to be, to me, whatever you're photographing, whether it be

Cara Taylor Swift:

people or just horses, or animals or horses and humans

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together, it needs to be something that you see yourself

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wanting to photograph in the future, because you want to show

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what you hope to sell one day or show what you hope to shoot one

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day. So you really need to be thinking about who is your

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audience, who are you going to be and I put this in quotations

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"speaking to with your images", so that you can start thinking

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about putting together shoots that will represent that. So it

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needs that needs to be your target audience, once again,

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show the what and the who of what you hope to photograph in

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the future. Another thing that I think sometimes I see is that

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it's so important that the images that you're showing that

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you're using in your portfolio, or that you're putting on your

Cara Taylor Swift:

website are really only your best images. With social media,

Cara Taylor Swift:

it's so easy to get caught up on showing everything that you

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might do a photo dump of every image from a session or your top

Cara Taylor Swift:

10 favorite images from a session. And really, you don't

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need to show those things unless they're your best. Because every

Cara Taylor Swift:

image you put out there, I hate to break it to you guys, it's

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going to be out there forever, I have some images that will pop

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up in memories, and that my clients will share because they

Cara Taylor Swift:

love them. But I'm like, oh no, that image is gonna haunt me for

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the rest of my life. Because it's not an image that is the

Cara Taylor Swift:

best representation of my portfolio. These days. Any

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photographer that's out there in the time of social media, and

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the ability to share and be super proud of your work

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probably feels that way too, at some point. And they just never

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go away, I would definitely spend some time once again,

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thinking about the audience and who you're trying to speak to

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and then look at your portfolio and say, Do I have holes in my

Cara Taylor Swift:

portfolio buckets that I need to fill by creating images that

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really are going to go to work for me. So you know, go through

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your images look for that, that unique eye that you have that

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unique asset or your unique point of distinction that is

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represented in your images that will really set you apart from

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other photographers in your field. It might be a way that

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you shoot, the type of shooting that you like to do, or even the

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way that you process your images when you're done. You're looking

Cara Taylor Swift:

for that thing that really defines you and set you apart

Cara Taylor Swift:

from every other horse photographer that is available

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to be found on Google. I would love it if we talk about this

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more in detail maybe on another episode, but definitely go out

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and actively plan shoots just for the purpose of portfolio

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building where you sit down and plan out the concept, you

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determine your end goals, hire models, and collaborate

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potentially with other business owners to make sure that you're

Cara Taylor Swift:

creating images that are going to work for you. And you're not

Cara Taylor Swift:

just creating when you're being hired to create. I also

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recommend if you can do a portfolio review. So take those

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existing images that you think best represent you and sit down

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with a mentor or another photographer in your industry

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that you really trust and that understand your industry and get

Cara Taylor Swift:

some feedback from them. Anytime I have done this, I have found

Cara Taylor Swift:

it. so eye opening to see how my images are viewed by other

Cara Taylor Swift:

people. I think we get caught up in being afraid of criticism,

Cara Taylor Swift:

and being afraid of hearing that we could do better or do

Cara Taylor Swift:

something differently. And if we can get past some of that I

Cara Taylor Swift:

think our work just goes to a whole nother level. If we can

Cara Taylor Swift:

take the criticism and actually like process it and think it

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through. I think that's probably the biggest thing. I think the

Cara Taylor Swift:

last thing I would say just because I love doing this is I

Cara Taylor Swift:

love to team up with another photographer and do shoots

Cara Taylor Swift:

together. It's a great way to get creative and bounce ideas

Cara Taylor Swift:

off of each other. You can split the cost of model hires or some

Cara Taylor Swift:

of the props that you bring in and it's just a really fun way

Cara Taylor Swift:

to get creative. And I think some of that's what we bring to

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the table with Cowgirls with Cameras workshops.

Phyllis Burchett:

I think you really covered a lot of bases

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there. I was just going to add also that I think attending

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workshops, whether it's ours or anybody's it's a great way to

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build your portfolio. So I'm going to talk a little bit more

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about how to structure your actual portfolio and your visual

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portfolio, I guess is what I'm talking about on your websites.

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Back in the day, of course, we used to have a portfolio book,

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you know, but I think one of the biggest things is, whatever you

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do is make your passion very prominent in your portfolio,

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what you really want to be hired for and to make sure that that

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interface on your website or in the portfolio, that you're

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showing that it's clean and very visually attractive for people

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to look at. Maybe even try to inspire your audience a little

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bit by combining words and images that make people want to

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act and respond to what they're seeing. Again, like Cara said,

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choose only your best images, ask someone to look at your

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portfolio that you're wanting to put up and give you some

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feedback and but make sure it's someone you trust their opinion.

Phyllis Burchett:

I would also say choose photos where each image stands on its

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own. You can do a story building portfolio, but I think it just

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depends on if you're being hired by a client and you're showing

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them this portfolio, you can read your client, you can read,

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do they want to do a story building series? Or do they want

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images that stand on their own? When you're doing it for a

Phyllis Burchett:

client, think about creating a portfolio that's focused on

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images that will show them that you're the right person to hire.

Phyllis Burchett:

And if you do shoot a different photography niches, like you

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know, maybe you shoot landscape, maybe you Shoot horses, maybe

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you shoot portrait. It's okay to make multiple portfolios, you

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know, to best suit your audience. So I think it's good

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to show the client that you can do a variety of jobs. I know

Phyllis Burchett:

back years ago, I got hired to do, I was wanting to do a lady's

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ride and or look at a place was actually a cabin for hire in

Phyllis Burchett:

Colorado. And I actually got the job because they wanted somebody

Phyllis Burchett:

that could do architectural images along with landscape and

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horses. So it's good to be able to show that you can do a

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variety, a client will be looking for variety. And I

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think, lastly is, gosh, take risk. I think risk are a really

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important part of the world of art it extends and this extends

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into your portfolio, don't be afraid to take a risk that you

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think is going to show examples of your creativity and

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innovation and stay current and modern with that be sure to

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update your work, which I'm bad to not do.

Cara Taylor Swift:

That part about staying current and modern

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can be really huge. Because I've seen photographers really date

Cara Taylor Swift:

themselves and date their work by using types of editing or

Cara Taylor Swift:

shooting that is maybe just not done as much right now. So if

Cara Taylor Swift:

you've got some of that in your portfolio, and it's not

Cara Taylor Swift:

currently the trend, you know, really think about how that fits

Cara Taylor Swift:

in with what you want to shoot. I'm not gonna give any examples,

Cara Taylor Swift:

but that's, you know, just something to really think about.

Phyllis Burchett:

I think that's really important too, because

Phyllis Burchett:

photography does go through trends, just like fashion. Just

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this morning, I saw somebody's work that was which is great

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work. Don't get me wrong, but they're kind of living in what

Phyllis Burchett:

was current five years ago, which isn't that way now. So

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yes, look at the modern trends, just like reels is a trend on

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Instagram right now, but it's not really a trend. I think it's

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gonna be here for a while. So

Cara Taylor Swift:

Do you guys want me to talk about model

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calls right now? Or do you want me to save it for the end? What

Cara Taylor Swift:

do you think

Kimberly Beer:

Models are something I think that newer

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photographers are really afraid of, right? It's a scary thing to

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put out a model call for the first time and working with

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models can get really complicated. And I do know we do

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need to do an entire episode on it Cara, or at least that's what

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my feeling is. But I think here it's really appropriate to talk

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about when you're building your portfolio, having a model and

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making sure that you have your t's crossed and your i's dotted

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you know, have your model releases and stuff. But just the

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the asking and planning part. And we have some friends that we

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hang out with, and it's a true privilege to hang out with them,

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that have really good model ideas and ways to get models

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into their business and also to work with models. So yep, go

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right ahead.

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I do agree with Kim that this could be an

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entire episode in itself. But where models are concerned for

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portfolio building and model calls, I have definitely used

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them in the past. And I've had some successes and some failures

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with that. One of the things I realized when I was first

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starting out and I would put out a model call is I would have a

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ton of interest 50, 60, 100 inquiries would go through my

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website and want to be on the model call. So what I found was

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happening is that I would go through when I would pick who I

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thought was a great fit for the project I was trying to create,

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I would go through the process of setting up a date and a time

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with those people and talk through what I needed from that

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shoot. And then what would happen is I would drive out and

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to meet them on the day of the shoot and no one would be there.

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They just wouldn't show up. And so that was a lot of time and

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energy invested other people could have taken that out what I

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thought was a great opportunity and participated in that. One of

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the things that I started doing in the early days of model calls

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is I created well actually I didn't create this part of it is

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I participated in an online program called in person sales

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mastermind and there was a workshop that was called the $50

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model call. And when I went through that program, I realized

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that even on a model call situation sometimes your models

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need to have a little skin in the game in order to go through

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your entire process. And for me in that model call, I wanted to

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test my workflow. So it wasn't just about shooting and

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portfolio building. For me it was the initial inquiry working

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with clients, getting them prepped for the photoshoot, the

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actual session itself, meeting with me afterwards to view the

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images. So I needed them to go through that whole process. So I

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actually started charging my models to participate in the

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model call. And then that is when I realized I really was

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able to slim down the amount of interest to people that were

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really interested and were going to show up. And then also get

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them to a place where I was learning, I was going through my

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process, I was testing my process, and we were shooting,

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and they were getting images. So the way that I always structured

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that was that any money that I requested for them "to book",

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I'm putting that in quotations book their model called spot

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they got back when they completed the process. So they

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got the money back, but they could go through the process.

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And all that did was encouraged people to actually participate.

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And it worked out really, really well for me, in the beginning, I

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got a ton of portfolio work, I got a ton of new sessions. And

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then from that, I was able to build much more of an online

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content presence and actual good portfolio work. Now I'm not

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saying that I think every model call needs to be paid, I'm just

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throwing out some ideas out there that you don't have to

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offer it for free all of the time. And you need to remember

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that when you're offering a model call for free, you are

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directly potentially undercutting other photographers

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in your area. So you really need to think about how you do that.

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And be really just be super thoughtful about when you're

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advertising free photo shoots, as model calls Phyllis, and Kim

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did you guys want to add anything to that?

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When you offer something for free people take

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it at the value that you offer it. So that's nothing. And even

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if you don't want to, let's say you charge them a $50 fee or

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$100 fee, you don't always have to give that money back to them.

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It can be prepayment, and you can say I'll exchange this for X

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number of prints or two or three digital files that you can share

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out with you. Because let's face it, if people are showing up for

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model calls, that means they have an interest in making money

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in this too, or getting something else out of it. And if

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they can see more of that benefit of what they can get out

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of it in the future, then they're more likely to be

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participatory in the process, they're more likely to show up

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where they're supposed to be, they're more likely to be more

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engaged with making sure that it's done right that they're in

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our case that their horses are groomed and everything looks the

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way that it should for the same way a potential client would

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look. So it's to me, it's important that they do have skin

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in the game, I have had zero luck with free model calls. In

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my career, what I have had luck with was charging a set fee

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that's much reduced from my normal fee in exchange for the

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fact that I have to have X number of shots. And I'm really

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very upfront with the people that I ask to help me build my

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portfolio, I will simply say I am building my portfolio, I am

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looking for these shots, when I first got into reining, you have

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to be able to shoot a stop if you're going to do reining

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shows. And that's what the show staff wants to see in your

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portfolio. So I contacted really high end what I would, high end

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for my area, mind you I'm in the middle of the Midwest, so barns

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that had good reining horses and said here's the deal, I will do

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you know, X number of stallion shots, which already had a good

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portfolio for but I need stop shots. So I need you to be able

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to stop that horse X number of times I need an arena that looks

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good, I need to have dirt that's going to fly, these are the

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things that I need to have, I need you in your show gear. So

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you're gonna have to outfit your horse the same as you would for

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a show. No jeans, no braided tails, you know, I need you to

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be like really on top of it. So I'm asking a lot of that model

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and giving it something back.

Cara Taylor Swift:

That's 100% I think you can't just do a

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blanket model call. Like I just I personally have never been a

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big fan when people just say I just want to take pictures

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people like let me know, you know, if you want your picture

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taken, like you need to be super specific about what you need for

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your portfolio. So if you're trying to build the commercial

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side of your portfolio, you need to be working with small

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businesses and looking specifically for the types of

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products and services that you want to photograph. And that's

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who your model call needs to be targeted at. If you're trying to

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photograph a certain type of horse, a certain breed, or do a

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certain type of discipline, you need to be super specific about

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that. And that's going to help other you know, it's going to

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help you get what you need for your portfolio. It's going to

Cara Taylor Swift:

help narrow down and make sure that you've got the right people

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and it's going to help other photographers in your area

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respect and understand what you're doing. I would add one

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more thing about that. Yeah, I mean, I've spoken about how you

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want your model sometimes to have skin in the game on the

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flip side of that there are times when I have paid models to

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get access to a particular breed of horse or a particular person

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that I really wanted to photograph. So I think as

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photographers, you have to balance what that is that you're

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looking for and where you are in your game of portfolio building.

Cara Taylor Swift:

And horses, are property

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Exactly. Do make sure that you have your

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Horses are property. Well, I wanted to

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legalities taken care of though, when you're doing this, because

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there's nothing worse than getting into you know, go going

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and shooting and getting the exact shots you need for your

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change this conversation over unless you have something you

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portfolio. You use them for a little while, and then all of a

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sudden, the model comes back and says, hey, you're, you're doing

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really well after those shots you took of me, I need XYZ now.

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And you're like, yeah, there's model releases all over the

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internet. I mean, they're not hard to come by. So grab a

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model, release and familiarize yourself with the process of

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that. And I also encourage people to definitely get a check

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mark on a property release, especially if you're going to

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somebody else's facility to take those photos. I know I did that

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want to add here into how to use your portfolio because I think

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that's a place though to building the portfolio is like

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a lot. When I was building my portfolio, I was at nice

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the fun part for most people. They're all down for that let's

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facilities of famous people. And I needed to have some ability to

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be able to know I could use those images legally and without

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strings and horses, our property horses our property, well, I

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wanted to change this conversation over unless you

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have something you want to add here into how to use your

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portfolio because they think that's a place though to

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building the portfolio is like the fun part. For most people.

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They're all down for that let's let's build our portfolio. Let's

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let's build our portfolio. Let's go shoot. You know, people even

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go shoot, you know, people even kind of bite the bullet even if

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kind of bite the bullet even if they're shy about you know,

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they're shy about you know, finding people to photograph and

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finding people to photograph and that kind of stuff. But when it

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that kind of stuff. But when it comes to actually using your

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comes to actually using your portfolio, I see some feet

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portfolio, I see some feet dragon. Now we used to back in

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draggin'. Now we used to back in the day have printed portfolios,

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the day have printed portfolios, and I'm sitting over here

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and I'm sitting over here thinking I still have printed

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thinking I still have printed portfolios. I have several books

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portfolios. I have several books that I carry around with me when

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that I carry around with me when I am in a target rich

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I am in a target rich environment that people can just

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environment that people can just pick up and thumb through. And I

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pick up and thumb through. And I have to tell you, I have booked

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have to tell you, I have booked more jobs off of those

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more jobs off of those portfolios than I can count.

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portfolios than I can count. It's it's absolutely the best

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It's it's absolutely the best way to sell stuff. And it makes

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way to sell stuff. And it makes sure you curate your portfolio

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sure you curate your portfolio for the audience that you are

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for the audience that you are going to be showing that

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going to be showing that portfolio to I believe that was

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portfolio to I believe that was Phyllis, you had that piece of

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Phyllis, who had that piece of advice, which I also think is

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advice, which I also think is super important. So if you're

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super important. So if you're looking for commercial work,

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looking for commercial work, what you can do is you can take

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what you can do is you can take your digital portfolio, usually

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your digital portfolio, usually in the form of your website, or

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in the form of your website, or in the form of maybe a video

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in the form of maybe a video that you can send to people via

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that you can send to people via email or snail mail, if you're

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email or snail mail, if you're going to print it, send it to

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going to print it, send it to the people that you'd like to

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the people that you'd like to especially work for if you have

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especially work for. If you have shot some of their items for

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shot some of their items for that particular brand, either on

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that particular brand, either on purpose or by accident, and if

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purpose or by accident. And if you would like to look at maybe

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you would like to look at maybe doing some work for that

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doing some work for that organization or brand, then

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organization or brand, then definitely include that in the

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definitely include that in the portfolio, do your research on

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portfolio. Do your research on the brands that you're going to

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the brands that you're going to approach to see if you can work

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approach to see if you can work with them. You want to make sure

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with them. You want to make sure that you capture the look, the

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that you capture the look, the feel the emotion of that brand.

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feel the emotion of that brand. All of those things are really

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All of those things are really important to commercial

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important to commercial businesses. And it's important

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businesses. And it's important that they have photographers

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that they have photographers that they work with that

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that they work with that understand that and a lot of

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understand that and a lot of small businesses and a lot of

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small businesses and a lot of big ones for that matter, they

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big ones for that matter, they need commercial imagery. So if

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need commercial imagery. So if that's the place that you're

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that's the place that you're wanting to look for, to me, that

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wanting to look for, to me, that particular line of showing your

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particular line of showing your portfolio is the most curated

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portfolio is the most curated line that you're going to find

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line that you're going to find you're always going to choose

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you're always going to choose just exactly the most specific

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just exactly the most specific images to be able to show to

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images to be able to show to those potential clients. If you

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those potential clients. If you are wanting to work in the fine

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are wanting to work in the fine art world. You can take your

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art world. You can take your portfolio either digitally or

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portfolio either digitally or printed and you can approach

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printed and you can approach galleries about doing a show or

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galleries about doing a show or having some of your images

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having some of your images featured in their space. I've

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featured in their space. I've done this on a couple of

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done this on a couple of different occasions and had some

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different occasions and had some really nice luck with it. If you

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really nice luck with it. If you get to know the gallery pretty

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get to know the gallery pretty well a lot of galleries like the

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well a lot of galleries like the gallery where I have a small

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gallery where I have a small studio space in Kansas City they

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studio space in Kansas City they have member only shows several

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have member only shows several times a year that I will also

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times a year that I will also participate or hang other images

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participate or hang other images throughout their seasons in the

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throughout their seasons in the gallery and there's a lot of

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gallery and there's a lot of galleries in that little area

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galleries in that little area that I have approached about

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that I have approached about having my work displayed in so

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having my work displayed in so you can take your portfolio and

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you can take your portfolio and show it there. You can also

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show it there. You can also approach businesses about

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approach businesses about showing your images in their

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showing your images in their spaces. So I work with a lot of

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spaces. So I work with a lot of visual artists other than

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visual artists other than photographers in helping them

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photographers in helping them market and I've not seen a

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market and I've not seen a photographer do this personally.

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photographer do this personally. I know there are some that have,

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I know there are some that have that I have seen a lot of my

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but I have seen a lot of my visual artists that I coach and

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visual artists that I coach and work with and mentor that have

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work with and mentor that have approached restaurants and

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approached restaurants and offered to hang their work in

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offered to hang their work in that restaurant or coffee shops,

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that restaurant or coffee shops, I've had a couple they've been

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I've had a couple they've been very successful with coffee

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very successful with coffee shops or even corporate

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shops or even corporate businesses. Now I've had a lot

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businesses. Now I've had a lot of my work is displayed in

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of my work is displayed in corporate offices, but they've

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corporate offices, but they've purchased it through different

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purchased it through different channels than me showing up with

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channels than me showing up with a portfolio, there's always an

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a portfolio. There's always an opportunity to get your art out

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opportunity to get your art out in places. And that becomes a

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in places. And that becomes a living portfolio for you as well

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living portfolio for you as well because whoever is coming in and

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because whoever is coming in and out of that space is also seeing

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out of that space is also seeing your work, whether it's in the

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your work, whether it's in the gallery or the restaurant or the

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gallery or the restaurant or the coffee shop or the corporate

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coffee shop or the corporate building. If you're looking to

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building. If you're looking to do a portrait or private work

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do a portrait or private work taking your portfolio and

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taking your portfolio and printed form, or on a tablet to

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printed form, or on a tablet to a booth or a table at local

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a booth or a table at local events where your ideal client

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events where your ideal client will be like my new friend that

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will be like my new friend that I met at central exchange, she

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I met at Central Exchange, she had a booth right next to mine,

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had a booth right next to mine, she had it done up really nice.

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she had it done up really nice. She had her portraits, her

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She had her portraits, her portfolio stuff all laid out all

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portfolio stuff all laid out all over the table, and she had a

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over the table, and she had a couple of really fun doors. She

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couple of really fun doors. She does a lot of her headshots with

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does a lot of her headshots with doors in the background. And so

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doors in the background. And so they had some really colorful

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they had some really colorful doors there. And it really drew

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doors there. And it really drew people over to the booth, I

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people over to the booth, I thought she did an outstanding

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thought she did an outstanding job. And another thing I thought

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job. And another thing I thought she did really, really well was

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she did really, really well was a printed piece, which I'm going

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a printed piece, which I'm going to show Phyllis and Kara, where

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to show Phyllis and Cara, where she does high end senior

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she's does high end senior portraits. It's like a lookbook.

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portraits. It's like a lookbook. It's like a lookbook. It's a

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It's like a lookbook. It's a little portfolio of her work. It

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little portfolio of her work. It features local kids that people

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features local kids that people are going to recognize it has

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are going to recognize it has suggestions about how to book

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suggestions about how to book your senior sessions, and about

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your senior sessions, and about what to expect and little fun

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what to expect and little fun sayings that are very

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sayings that are very appropriate to the current

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appropriate to the current generation that's out there. And

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generation that's out there. And all of her photos are mixed in

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all of her photos are mixed in with it. So it just makes it

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with it. So it just makes it really easy for her to be able

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really easy for her to be able to hand what I call a walk and

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to hand what I call a walk and talk piece. You can talk with

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talk piece. You can talk with people and then people walk away

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people and then people walk away with it. And it's printed on

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with it. And it's printed on some really fun to feel paper.

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some really fun to feel paper. It's too bad you guys can't feel

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It's too bad. You guys can't feel it. It's very fun to feel

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it. It's very fun to feel paper. So you actually really like

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paper. So you actually really like touching it. So it's just a

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touching it. So it's just a really nice way to be able to

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really nice way to be able to display the portfolio of her

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display the portfolio of her work. And I can tell you she's

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work. And I can tell you she's very talented. If I had a senior

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very talented. If I had a senior I would definitely hire her to

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I would definitely hire her to shoot my senior.

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shoot my senior.

Cara Taylor Swift:

I was just sitting here thinking I'd slap a

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QR code on that and make it a digital lookbook so people can

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take pictures of it and pop it onto their phones.

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Yep, well actually they picked up the

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Cowgirls

Cara Taylor Swift:

I'm very QR Cody right now

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You are but they picked up so I took our stuff

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over to their booth and handed her our stuff because I'm like,

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you never know when a photographer I did the same

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thing at a horse expo, there was an equine photographer had a

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booth at the horse expo, and I went over and introduce myself

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and said I was Cowgirls with Cameras. But anyway, the lady I

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met her name is Rye, by the way. And she's a photographer in

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Stillwell Kansas. When I handed her our card her husband

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immediately saw the QR code and was like, oh, how do you get

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these I need to put them on there. So Cara, they're already,

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already on to the next step.

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They're on it. They beat me to it.

Phyllis Burchett:

Cara has turned me on to the QR code.

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I've already created mine in canva, so

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I know between my QR codes and my

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digital business card. I'm having people scan me all day

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long. Scan me baby scan me.

Phyllis Burchett:

Yeah, that's all about staying current and

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modern. Right?

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Well, I think that trips us over into another

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topic that we wanted to bring you guys today. And that is our

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gadgets, gear, and software section of the show where we

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want to talk to you today about alternative input devices when

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you're working on your computer. And I know that sounds really

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fancy and fun, but basically it means a Wacom tablet and both

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Phyllis and Cara have Wacom tablets, I have one as well. But

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I'm going to reserve my comments for the end because I want to

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talk about some of the things that I've been up to with a

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tablet of a different color.

Cara Taylor Swift:

Well I'm new to Wacom tablets so I've been

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only using mine now for about three months and it has been

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touch and go literally the whole time and I have enjoyed it and I

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do use it I would say 80% of the time for my editing now because

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I'm getting more and more used to it. I still think there's

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some kinks I have to work out in like my pressure sensitivities

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and and stuff like that. But I really do love how detailed I

Cara Taylor Swift:

can be with stuff. So Phyllis, I know you've been using a Wacom

Cara Taylor Swift:

tablet for a very long time. Can you talk more about it?

Phyllis Burchett:

Well, my current Wacom tablet is pretty

Phyllis Burchett:

old but it's very similar to the one that I did a little research

Phyllis Burchett:

on just finding out what the latest and greatest is is just

Phyllis Burchett:

the Wacom Intuos Pro mine is a Wacom Intuos mine's pretty

Phyllis Burchett:

similar to the new one because it does give really accurate

Phyllis Burchett:

results. It has a lot of customizable buttons on it. It's

Phyllis Burchett:

perfect for Photoshop. I really don't have anything negative to

Phyllis Burchett:

say about this particular Wacom tablet. It is a little pricey.

Phyllis Burchett:

It's about I think it's a little over $400 It does take time to

Phyllis Burchett:

get used to I think you have to give yourself two to four weeks

Phyllis Burchett:

to really dive into it.

Cara Taylor Swift:

They say you have to put your mouse

Cara Taylor Swift:

completely away, like just get rid of your computer mouse and

Cara Taylor Swift:

use nothing but your your pen or what do they call it a stylus or

Cara Taylor Swift:

something, use nothing but your pen, I call it the pen

Cara Taylor Swift:

That's the one I have

Phyllis Burchett:

That would probably be helpful. I have both

Phyllis Burchett:

my mouse and my Wacom tablet sitting here. So I use both but

Phyllis Burchett:

I don't do a lot of meticulous work like I used to. When I used

Phyllis Burchett:

Is that the one you have? Yeah, it's about

Phyllis Burchett:

to do a lot of background replacements and stuff like

Phyllis Burchett:

that. I don't do as much of that anymore. Like I used to, gosh, I

Phyllis Burchett:

don't think I could have lived without it back when I was doing

Phyllis Burchett:

a lot of that. I mean, you can you can you can do it with a

Phyllis Burchett:

it's only about $150 or something like that. It's great

Phyllis Burchett:

mouse. But it just makes things so much easier and so much

Phyllis Burchett:

faster to have the tablet there is a Wacom Intuos medium, it's

Phyllis Burchett:

it's smaller, it's about

Phyllis Burchett:

for beginners, I highly suggest that if you find that you're

Phyllis Burchett:

really loving the one you have Cara you may end up wanting to

Phyllis Burchett:

step up to a more expensive one, just because it it will give you

Phyllis Burchett:

more sensitivity. And I think you'd really like it. And I

Phyllis Burchett:

think being able to customize it is a big plus too. I think the

Phyllis Burchett:

less expensive one use, there are some customizable buttons in

Phyllis Burchett:

it. I'm not sure I've never seen it before. But you could talk

Phyllis Burchett:

more about that than I could. I think if you would like to do

Phyllis Burchett:

photoshop work and you're into doing that and you love doing

Phyllis Burchett:

some editing and being creative that I highly suggest you get a

Phyllis Burchett:

Wacom tablet.

Cara Taylor Swift:

Yeah, I have found when I'm doing things like

Cara Taylor Swift:

cloning, or trying to if there's like an edge, say like around a

Cara Taylor Swift:

horse, and there's a fence I'm trying to get rid of, and it

Cara Taylor Swift:

edges right up to the side of the horse that I can make such a

Cara Taylor Swift:

cleaner line and it's it seems to flow so much easier with my

Cara Taylor Swift:

Wacom tablet than it does using the mouse. And that's probably

Cara Taylor Swift:

been one of the biggest features that I've enjoyed from it so far

Cara Taylor Swift:

is the detail work seems less clunky than it did with the

Cara Taylor Swift:

mouse.

Phyllis Burchett:

Yeah, definitely, if you're doing a

Phyllis Burchett:

lot of fine detail work, I highly, I highly suggest you get

Phyllis Burchett:

a tablet

Kimberly Beer:

about it that if you tried a tablet years ago,

Kimberly Beer:

and you decided it wasn't for you, you need to try it again.

Kimberly Beer:

Because Photoshop has made amazing strides in being able to

Kimberly Beer:

offer pressure sensitivity to their brushes, and to all of the

Kimberly Beer:

tools that has gotten better as well. So it's not just that the

Kimberly Beer:

tablets have improved some but the software that you're using

Kimberly Beer:

has dramatically changed. Even in the last 24 months, it has

Kimberly Beer:

made big strides in being able to make that pressure

Kimberly Beer:

sensitivity a real key attribute in how you can utilize it inside

Kimberly Beer:

of the software on your images. And so much of Photoshop and all

Kimberly Beer:

of the tools that we use really, that are digital that will take

Kimberly Beer:

advantage of a Wacom tablet, they really have all come a

Kimberly Beer:

really long way. All of that said, I chose to go with a

Kimberly Beer:

different type of a system where I use my iPad Pro. And it's the

Kimberly Beer:

same concept, you're still using a stylus and you're still

Kimberly Beer:

utilizing that versus a mouse for your input to be able to

Kimberly Beer:

alter the image. And I absolutely love doing my editing

Kimberly Beer:

on my iPad Pro. Now, if you have an iPad, and you want to dabble

Kimberly Beer:

to say with this pressure sensitivity would a tablet

Kimberly Beer:

actually work for me and you do have an iPad at your disposal,

Kimberly Beer:

there is a software that you can download. It's not very

Kimberly Beer:

expensive. I think it's like $20 it's actually available for

Kimberly Beer:

Windows tablets as well. It's called Duet, D-U-E-T, like a

Kimberly Beer:

duet in music. And it will let you use your tablet, your iPad

Kimberly Beer:

tablet, as an input device. So you can kind of experiment with

Kimberly Beer:

it. You can utilize your Apple pencil if you have one if you

Kimberly Beer:

have an Apple device and be able to use it as a pressure

Kimberly Beer:

sensitive input device to edit your photos with so that's a

Kimberly Beer:

another opportunity if you if you want to dabble in this and

Kimberly Beer:

you're not quite sure you want to invest in a dedicated tablet.

Kimberly Beer:

It certainly is a way for you to experiment and to try some new

Kimberly Beer:

stuff.

Cara Taylor Swift:

I love that there's so many more people I've

Cara Taylor Swift:

seen doing edits on their iPads, if it's not something that

Cara Taylor Swift:

they're doing, maybe they just need to do quick edits, that

Cara Taylor Swift:

they're using their iPad a lot. And so to know that there's that

Cara Taylor Swift:

option. That's a pretty cool feature. I think a lot more

Cara Taylor Swift:

people probably have iPads already, especially with some of

Cara Taylor Swift:

the newer ones that are coming out. So that's fun idea.

Kimberly Beer:

Yeah. Someday we'll have to just chat all

Kimberly Beer:

about my iPad work.

Cara Taylor Swift:

Yeah, no kidding. There's probably some

Cara Taylor Swift:

people that'd be interested.

Kimberly Beer:

It took me a year. I spent last year figuring

Kimberly Beer:

it out. I was, yeah, I was throwing things it was it was

Kimberly Beer:

ugly for a minute but now I love it and don't want to ever go

Kimberly Beer:

back.

Phyllis Burchett:

I remember those days

Cara Taylor Swift:

I know, I kind of remember those days too.

Cara Taylor Swift:

Well, I think that what we wanted to do here was just to

Cara Taylor Swift:

throw out another idea give you our take on using a tablet for

Cara Taylor Swift:

your editing. So if you guys have given it a try and you love

Cara Taylor Swift:

it, let us know, we definitely want to know more. Should we

Cara Taylor Swift:

move on to our final segment the challenge?

Kimberly Beer:

Yeah, Cara, why don't you issue the challenge

Kimberly Beer:

this episode,

Cara Taylor Swift:

Since I'm the one that came up with this

Cara Taylor Swift:

challenge, I'll chat a little bit about it. I thought maybe

Cara Taylor Swift:

that for this time period, we could do a challenge on creative

Cara Taylor Swift:

framing. So framing refers to using elements of a scene to

Cara Taylor Swift:

create a frame within your frame. And I love that because

Cara Taylor Swift:

I'm a big goof for looking for foregrounds looking for frames

Cara Taylor Swift:

all over the place to frame my subjects in. So a great example

Cara Taylor Swift:

might be that you shoot your subject through a barn door or

Cara Taylor Swift:

over branches or fences or on a trail or you look for arches and

Cara Taylor Swift:

buildings, some things are really highlight the focus of

Cara Taylor Swift:

your subject as the focus. So with this composition, you can

Cara Taylor Swift:

really create depth in a photo and make it a little more

Cara Taylor Swift:

interesting. So we would love to see your creative framing. If

Cara Taylor Swift:

you've done some creative framing, share it with us. If

Cara Taylor Swift:

you haven't done some creative framing and you want to get out

Cara Taylor Swift:

and give it a try. This is a great time to do it. Share with

Cara Taylor Swift:

us online at #CWCPhotoChallenge. And our goal is that if you tag

Cara Taylor Swift:

us, we're going to try to share it. We would love to share it

Cara Taylor Swift:

and get some folks to see your work out there.

Phyllis Burchett:

I think that's a great challenge for the week.

Phyllis Burchett:

I like that.

Kimberly Beer:

It is a fun challenge.

Phyllis Burchett:

I think we all love framing. That's always

Phyllis Burchett:

cool.

Cara Taylor Swift:

That is a fun challenge. Alright, so that

Cara Taylor Swift:

wraps us up for the week. You guys. It's been awesome. If you

Cara Taylor Swift:

haven't checked us out online, we are on Instagram and Facebook

Cara Taylor Swift:

at Cowgirls with Cameras. You can also go to our website and

Cara Taylor Swift:

see some of our upcoming events. Did you two want to give a plug

Cara Taylor Swift:

for any events you have coming up that you are looking to fill?

Phyllis Burchett:

We still have some space left in the Art of

Phyllis Burchett:

the Cowgirl summer event that we're holding in Big Timber

Phyllis Burchett:

Montana at the end of August. And then we also have I think a

Phyllis Burchett:

couple of spaces left for the Cottonwood Ranch.

Cara Taylor Swift:

That's right, we sure do. Go check those out

Cara Taylor Swift:

online. I think that's it for us. So I hope everybody has a

Cara Taylor Swift:

great couple of weeks of shooting and we'll be back in a

Cara Taylor Swift:

couple weeks.

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